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"Flesh and Bone" follows a young ballet dancer, Claire, who has a distinctly troubled past, as she joins a prestigious ballet company in New York. Which raises the question of whether we are just supposed to assume that it’s not an inherently consensual relationship. Is that something we’re supposed to assume with incest, when it’s left ambiguous like it was with Bryan and Claire? Claire falls to the ground and cries. I have to say I knew I would ship Bryan and Claire since that phone call. "Flesh and Bone" follows a young ballet dancer, Claire, who has a distinctly troubled past, as she joins a prestigious ballet company in New York. She certainly seemed in touch with her sexuality then.) Claire is infuriated with Bryan for getting her pregnant and going away (even though it was their father doing), for making her lose three years of her life, for almost destroying her dream. As Thanksgiving nears, neurotic Paul has the dancers on edge, while Claire heads home to visit her ailing father and Bryan, whom she hasn't seen since their frightening encounter in New York City. It left a lot up to interpretation and that gives us some freedom. He wants to believe she’s something good that “came out of all of this”. It could be the intensity and stress of ballet. Security at the club beat him into submission, and Claire tells them to beat him even more. PS: Are the comments approved lately for you? (That doesn’t seem to be the case, as she did some quality stripping in earlier episodes. I don’t think I would have enjoyed it nearly as much, and I would rather imagine Claire grieving than actually see it. She was the one who gave the first step (going to New York), and he is the one who take the action when he noticed that she is where she was meant to be and loving him, being with him would only hold her back. Claire is emotionally wounded, sexually damaged, and possesses self-destructive tendencies amid her vaulting ambitions It would at least be a comfort if there was lots of good old stuff to enjoy, but as you know, there’s not much of the really really good stuff. The fact that she desires him too could very well be the reason for the padlock. The perception of incest is such that I wouldn’t rule that out entirely as a possibility. A while later, Claire calls Bryan and begs him to come see her. The reminder of the baby actually seemed to make her feel more love for him here, though it causes a fight in the finale.). Thanks for your analysis, it was the best one I could find. I had to research and understand why that happens in order to portray it correctly.”. He says, “You’re OK, you’re gonna be OK.” Which, those aren’t exactly special phrases, anyone might have said that, but he does say the exact same thing to her in episode 3 when he chases after her when she saw him with Mia, while he’s holding her. But he doesn’t. It could still be a relationship that, according to the narrative, she needs to “escape”. Well, I’d like to think she was jealous. She gets very upset while dancing (I’m not sure why???? I wish it would have been a regular show. At the end of the episode she calls Bryan and tells him that what happened at Thanksgiving was a “mistake”, and that wasn’t why she wanted him to come. I came away shipping it. Some moms think he’s a pedophile and make him leave. It’s always both. And Romeo, believing himself to be the hero, kills him. Or just because Bryan doesn’t seem particularly apologetic (beyond what he said about having left her to deal with the pregnancy on her own). It looks like it is something he would have done before, something that is very familiar to both of them, and not entirely pleasant for her. Don’t apologize for your English, it was perfect! The security guys take him outside and give him a beating, and Claire comes up running. We see Bryan masturbating while they’re on the phone together – he has broken into her room and is lying on her bed. Still, it found a nice ending and I am of the opinion too, that without Bryan it couldn’t be the same. One thing I didn’t mention earlier is that when Bryan tries to talk about the baby at Thanksgiving, Claire says, “I don’t want to talk about it.” She never says that about anything else, even when he wants to talk about their relationship at other times. Claire responds: “It was a monster, because you’re a monster, Bryan. She seems more sad than anything. I would love to hear your thoughts! Perhaps the ambiguity in the beginning is in service of this twist. Like when Claire arrives at her apartment building and sees Bryan waiting for her, or when she calls him and tells him that what happened at Thanksgiving was a mistake, or when Bryan tells Claire that he’s done and can’t do this anymore. And Claire has changed, but has she changed for the better? Flesh & Bone is dark & disturbing and the only thing I got out of it was wanting to take a shower – a lot. I really enjoyed the fact that there is the possibility that it all happened consensual, while this was left open. Which, while severely twisted, is still inherently linked to Bryan. The dark, gritty, complex series unflinchingly explores the dysfunction and glamour of the ballet world and New York’s inherent drama. He explains that he’s not staying and he’s not going home, he’s going to go far away, like Thailand. I’ll send a message to the mod. ( Log Out /  There was a guy in the ballet company who flirted with her, but she turned him down. Sorry for bad english (not my native tounge). Claire remains unsettled while he stays and tries to get him to leave as soon as possible. And need, despair and obsession. You wrote that fantasticly and the commentaries are good additions. He’s not evil, he’s just an asshole. She needed him to be her safe zone, but Bryan knew that he would always prevent her for being the whole person she should be, that’s why he leaves and why she was so angry at him for going. It’s too much to handle and that girl needs therapy, for sure. Their unpleasant father keeps tensions in the family high, but I wouldn’t say that Claire’s visit home was entirely a bad experience. Since creator Moira … Not a whole lot happens in the second episode that pushes forward the plot of the entire series, which would be fine if this wasn’t a miniseries with only a scant few episodes. I was just going to say that I do not believe that he raped her. When their father found out about the incestuous relationship and the pregnancy, he forced Bryan to join the military. Bryan obviously did wrong but we also saw the background that he and Claire came from, and Claire had her own issues that manifested in a different way. (It doesn’t help that he’s in the middle of having sex with her roommate Mia.) She’s crying because the whole thing is a mess. But maybe it’s actually the opposite of that. She leaves abruptly the next morning, stuffing her baby’s hospital bracelet into her father’s mouth angrily on her way out the door. Because they are brother and sister, because they shouldn’t be feeling it, because he is the one who turns her on. You have noticed quite a few things that I didn’t, parallells and other stuff. Flesh and Bone is the story of Claire (Sarah Hay), who arrives in New York City fresh off the bus from the industrial hinterlands of Pittsburgh — an … The first is when Claire comes home to find Bryan having sex with Mia. Just because it’s incest it could be considered bad by the characters (and by the people making the show). He’s angry at the way she’s been jerking him around (that’s my interpretation, he never explains), so he doesn’t take the call at first. She tells him that she wanted the baby to die while it was in her, and she couldn’t wait to get rid of it. Like you said, it wasn’t exactly a healthy relationship, but that’s largely because they weren’t healthy people. It is so wonderful to hear from someone who is passionate about their relationship!!!! and then in his sock drawer he keeps a picture of the two of them as kids, pressing their foreheads together. It is understandable why Claire would revolt against these two things – he’s leaving her after she’s just told him how important it is to her that he’s there, and she’s the one who had to do deal with the baby all by herself. That night of Thanksgiving, she gets up out of her bed, goes into Bryan’s room, and lies down beside him. Someone else I had been chatting with joined, and I think it took him a little while before the approval came through. The dark, gritty, complex series unflinchingly explores the dysfunction and glamour of the ballet world and New York’s inherent drama. I feel like if it was a matter of abuse, the conversation would have been more like Mia asking if he’s a hero or something like that (because Claire had just mentioned he had been in military service), and there’s that awkward pause where Claire is thinking, “No, he’s not a hero, he raped me.” Instead it’s like, “Is your brother hot?”, “Yes he is hot, in fact he’s so hot I let him put a baby in me.”. Claire left a message for Bryan. You’re not on Kiira’s drugs: Claire actually did have Bryan’s baby. We can tell that Claire is trying to get away from her family life. And with Starz’s Flesh and Bone, ... As such, she created the character of Claire Robbins (Sarah Hay), a fragile ballerina who, in the first moments of … I read that interview with the creator of the show and even then I wasn’t clear on what she was going for with Claire and Bryan’s relationship. Later on she cuts off that ponytail which I think is symbolic for her getting out of his hold. It’s trash with a classical music soundtrack, and hopefully it’s been established through these reviews that I don’t see that as a negative or a detriment. I believe the self-harm is related to Claire’s fear of not being real. In many ways it’s an erotic fairytale. The women are battered by all sorts of things, but become empowered by their survival & will. That clears up the “family issue” that kept her out of the spotlight for a couple of years. He associated it with Bryan saving her somehow. She feels something in her shoe, pulls her shoe off and finds glass inside. Maybe ballet is the dragon. Those are very interesting ideas about Claire’s ponytail. But we never hear that kind of music associated with him again. Claire just had no direction [at home] and unfortunately it turned out for the worst for her. Can the past come back to them? And it seems there will be no season 2, so there will be no clarifications from that quarter. She takes Bryan upstairs, and things are very awkward between them but not tense like before. And if Bryan isn’t going to watch her dance in the big show, then she has to put glass in her shoe show that she’ll feel real? To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories. She says that she never even looked at it. There’s no getting past that. But then I come back to Bryan being the one to walk away from the relationship, and at least in part that’s because he feels like Claire is jerking him around. “I basically had to say somehow that it was okay in my head while I was acting out these scenes because I wanted her to look like it was okay for her.”, When it came time to appear on-screen with Josh Helman, who plays Claire’s brother, Hays says, “The subject matter wasn’t easy for us. I agree completely with your interpretation. (I’m not sure if I’m being coherent. One thing I forgot to mention is that the choreographer thinks that Claire is repressed sexually. For the rest of the episode Claire is in ballet performance. The only thing we can tell for sure is that she’s upset. And how he hopes that she’s happy. The connection to Bryan can’t be ignored. She misses him but she doesn’t want to be around him. “Forever?” Claire asks sadly. I completely agree with everything you said, and it helped me to understand it better. “Incest is a very different situation because you know and love the perpetrator. To prepare, the 27-year-old tells us that she consulted with her parents, who are both psychologists. I will say that there’s nothing that happens that can definitively disprove an abusive relationship. Part 1 of Ben Daniels Works Crossover; Language: English Words: 20,242 Chapters: 37/37 Comments: 2 Kudos: 3 Hits: 120 The reminder of the baby actually seemed to make her feel more love for him here, though it causes a fight in the finale.) It’s hard to ignore the juxtaposition. But I did not like the ending. How the vulnerabilities, and need, and despair, and prison of that situation can occur in the first place.”, Walley-Beckett says that she interviewed an incest survivor during her research and wasn't interested in covering the subject because it is taboo but because “it's a difficult subject, and I want it to be meaningfully explored. When he first arrived, the first time he came to visit, he smelled her clothes. But Claire comes home anyway. Claire calls home to talk to Bryan and see how he is. Was Claire jealous? BRYAN ROBBINS (Josh Helman) Forced by his abusive, domineering father to enlist in the Marines and serve a three-year stint in Afghanistan where he experienced the horrors of war, Bryan is focused on returning to Pittsburgh. We tried to make jokes about it because it’s so hard to not feel bad about the subject even though we were just playing these characters.” Hays ultimately found a way to relate to the character on a human level: “I just feel like I know what it’s like to be confused. It could be their father’s verbal abuse. She steps outside, it as begun to snow and she’s holding flowers, and she smiles up into the sky. Romeo is the typical audience, horrified by incest, incapable of considering it consensual. Claire is emotionally wounded, sexually damaged, and possesses self Based on his manner, you really wouldn’t think he had been abusive towards her. He even packs it up and brings it with him for this visit, wrapping it up for protection in one of his shirts. She knows they can’t be together, but she wants it either way. Why kill Bryan? Pulling it out is sort of what prompts Claire to go climb into Bryan’s bed. I don’t know. (Claire initiates it.) Bryan goes to the river to stare forlornly at his picture of Claire. Their sexual relationship caused a lot of trouble for both of them – Claire had to stop ballet, Bryan had to join the military, they engendered fury from their father. And Claire is timid at times, and sometimes doesn’t like to be touched. “Flesh and Bone” follows a young ballet dancer, Claire, who has a distinctly troubled past, as she joins a prestigious ballet company in New York. The relationship is messed up. It’s obviously some kind of signal or trigger for her. He and Claire don’t even see each other before she sneaks away. I have to admit this show has confused me. I should make a note before continuing that I haven’t read any outside commentary or interviews with TPTB, this is all my own observations and interpretations. When she begs him to come at first, he refuses. One have to see the nuances. Thank you for your messages and discussion! I need you to see.” And then he agrees. Before he sees her, she starts smiling when she spies him waiting for her. And Romeo was witness to the phone call in the first episode when Claire answered Bryan’s call and was crying while she talked to him, and he was again witness to her broken phone the next day. Reconnaissance ... To Bryan’s dismay, Claire tries to expunge him from her New York City life. (Claire never knew her mother.) I’m guessing Bryan was never upbeat and cheerful but it seems pretty obvious that he was changed by his tour and I would like to think he wasn’t such a violent person before he left for the military. In fact I think that’s part of the reason why she went home for Thanksgiving, though you really could get the sense that she was drawn towards Bryan. Bryan has just come home from Afghanistan. Starz's gritty miniseries Flesh and Bone is officially my newest obsession, because there are so many things to love about it. When it came time to watch the series, though, Hays says she had a more difficult time watching herself in the dance sequences than she did in the intimate scenes. I don’t like the Romeo guy, I don’t understand why Bryan needed to die just when he decided to leave. Compounding the difficulty of Walley-Beckett’s emotional balancing act is the fact that Hay, a soloist with the Semperoper Ballet in Dresden, Germany, had never acted onscreen before Flesh and Bone. After this Bryan returns to Pittsburgh and the family home where their father is. “As women, we have conversations with our friends all the time—everybody has a story about having been aggressed upon sexually or a rape story, as awful as it is. Thank you very much for writing about this, otherwise I would never know it existed. I need you to see. Or scared to see him? There’s always the possibility that she locks him out, because she knows if he comes into her room then they’ll end up having sex, and she’s trying to stop that from happening anymore. The other thing I wanted to mention involves the client she gets involved with at the club. Also, in episode 1 we see that Bryan has broken through the door and busted the padlock out from the wall. She tells him that she’s fine and cries. She looks around suspiciously, wondering who put it in there. Bryan figures out where Claire is and heads out to see her. Also, before I forget, an anon told me that Bryan’s tattoo means “infidel” in Arabic. It’s not a huge leap. So, it continues to be ambiguous. Romeo tells Claire that he fears he is the dragon, but then says he realizes he is the prophet. The show does something slightly similar with Bryan in the scene when he’s at the park watching the kids. Yes incest is taboo, and frowned upon, but that doesn’t mean it’s all Bryan’s fault and he’s the only one to blame for what happened, you know? Pulling it out is sort of what prompts Claire to go climb into Bryan’s bed. It’s hard to tell. She starts to get upset and rises angrily out of bed, then she goes over to the sink and chops off a huge chunk of her hair. Both of those acts are totally indefensible, though I will say that Bryan wasn’t being randomly violent – the man from the bus wouldn’t stop talking about Bryan marrying his “sweetheart” – obviously Bryan can’t marry Claire and he knows she’s trying to get away from the relationship so the romantic engagement the man kept describing was painfully not in the cards. “I spoke to them about their experience and knowledge of that situation as far as abuse victims, incest, these kind of behavioral problems, and why they happen,” Hay explains, during a phone call last week. The tension, the drama, the tragedy. That’s the case even though your baby’s bones … And I haven’t mentioned it along the way, but there have been lots of scenes of Bryan pulling out a picture of Claire and staring at it. At week 36 of pregnancy, mother-baby calcium transfer peaks, with you passing along as many as 350 milligrams of the mineral every day for the remainder of your pregnancy. He does the same thing with Bryan when he first sees him, calling him Jimjo, and identifying him somehow as an important character in “Clementine’s” story, as a protector of her. And this is a small thing, but there’s a moment from the first episode in which Mia asks Claire if her brother is cute. I’d like to know how she will deal with Bryan’s death…but I’m glad we won’t have it, so we can imagine. Some people will be put off by that. Bryan didn’t need to do this to cover his tracks – Claire already knew he had been in her room because he brought her an item from her room when he came to visit earlier on. Flesh and Bone Creator Tries to Bring Breaking Bad's Darkness to Ballet. Bryan stares at the ticket, and then says that he’s not staying. He says what he can to calm her down, but refuses to come. Or was she turned on by him getting beat up? His asshole-ish ways ever since they were kids. And Claire holds his life in her hand as well. My interpretation is that he came because he thought something was wrong – she needed help or something. This is the last scene between them. In many ways it’s an erotic fairytale. But more than that, we find out that Claire is very resentful of having to deal with their father and the pregnancy all by herself while Bryan was just gone. There isn’t much said during the phone call – Bryan wants to know where Claire is. When I was watching the show, it never felt like it wasn’t a piece of art.”, Related: How Breaking Bad's Walter White Inspired Starz's Disturbing Ballet Drama Flesh and Bone. Finding out that fact later retroactively gives this scene meaning and changes how it first appears to the audience. I meant to put a post on my old wordpress for each new post on this blog, but I forgot. I would have liked to have learned more about what’s going on in Romeo’s head, and it’s a disappointment that the show didn’t perform well enough to earn more episodes – I hope it’s not because of the incest – but overall I’m not too upset. So I do think there was an intentional effort made at the start to give a certain impression of the relationship without giving us any details to confirm what we might suspect. So the ballet director tells her she needs to let some of her sexuality come to the surface. In the final moments of the episode, it is revealed why Claire felt the need to bar herself from her family—because of sexual abuse she is suggested to have suffered from her brother. It was a very interesting show, and very different. I think it’s the same for their relationship, their attraction to each other. I was really interested in shining light and giving it a thorough exploration, and also wondering how these things can happen.“, Exploring the motivations of Claire’s brother recalled a lingering investigation from Walley-Beckett‘s Breaking Bad days: “I was very interested in the complexity of how that situation originated, and how monsters are made. But there’s no way to know for sure. With this information we’re able to unravel some of the tension between Bryan and Claire. Yes, he was a violent man and I think it got worse after Afghanistan. Just because Claire goes to his bed and is happy to see him later doesn’t mean she wasn’t raped. Expected, Claire calls Bryan and Claire don ’ t mean that rape can be excused in way... My tumblr an icon to Log in: you are commenting using your Google.... Having sex with the discord the unwanted pregnancy I forget, an anon me... 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